Showing posts with label "humanitarian intervention". Show all posts
Showing posts with label "humanitarian intervention". Show all posts

Monday, May 2, 2011

"In Syria, as the old French saying goes, it is urgent to do nothing!"

Via FLC

"... Liberation from outside is as dangerous a game as revolution. With neither can the outcome be predicted. The Poles were liberated from the Nazis in 1945, only to find themselves under the Red Army. Many Iraqis wanted to depose Saddam Hussein in 2003, but the American Army turned out to be a blunt instrument that made their lives more hellish than Saddam had. I remember when Palestinians in the West Bank complained about Jordanian rule. I suspect that having since 1967 been occupied by Israel’s army and displaced by Israel’s settlers, they would give anything to have the Jordanians back. So before Uncle Sam rides to the rescue in Syria, give it some thought...."
Posted by G, M, Z, or B at 10:50 AM
River to Sea Uprooted Palestinian

Sunday, May 1, 2011

Davutoglu: Internationalization of events in Syria will "lead to undesired outcomes"...

Via FLC

avutoglu: Internationalization of events in Syria will "lead to undesired outcomes"...

"Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said efforts should be exerted to prevent international intervention in Syria. Speaking at a TV program, Davutoglu said such an international intervention may lead to undesired outcomes, "Syria is our neighbor and a sovereign country. We give high importance to resolution of the matter within the country itself. There is still a chance for this. This chance should not be missed."
Asked if there would be a military intervention in Syria where clashes escalated recently and asked to comment on policy Turkey would pursue, Davutoglu said, "we should work to prevent such a possibility. International intervention may lead to undesired results particularly in such nonhomogeneous societies in sociological sense."
Posted by G, M, Z, or B at 2:52 PM
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Saturday, April 30, 2011

'Even Human Rights groups are more cautious on Syria...'

Via FLC

"... Human-rights groups are even more cautious. “If Obama were to call for Assad to go, I don’t think it would change things on the ground in any way, shape, or form,” said Joseph Stork, deputy director of the Middle East division of Human Rights Watch, which had been supportive of military action in Libya. In this case, he said, targeted sanctions, he said, were the right move....  The administration did not sanction President Assad, saying it focused on those directly responsible for human-rights abuses. A senior official said the United States would not hesitate to add him to the list if the violence did not stop. But the White House seemed to be calculating that it could still prevail on him to show restraint.
“Our goal is to end the violence and create an opening for the Syrian people’s legitimate aspirations,,” said a spokesman for the National Security Council, Tommy Vietor. .... ..... .....  for the Obama administration, abandoning Mr. Assad has costs. For two years, it cultivated him in the hope that Syria would break the logjam in the Middle East peace process ... ... .... Israel’s sensitivity about Syria is so acute that when reports began circulating this week that Israeli officials were pressing the White House to be less tough on Damascus, Israel’s ambassador to the United States, Michael B. Oren, called reporters to insist that his government was doing nothing of the sort. ... ... “The regime coming down in a speedy, orderly transition to a Sunni government would be a setback for Iran, but that’s not what’s happening,” said Andrew Tabler, a Syria expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “We’re headed for something much messier. The Iranians can play around in that.”

Right or Wrong

You were Right, Right, Right 

Yvonne Ridley said Linyan war "is another oil-fuelled, reckless act by gung-ho leaders who would end up being sucked in to a long military campaign as futile as the Bush-Blair adventures into Iraq and Afghanistan that we are still paying for in terms of wasted lives."

First: I don't think USA-Nato is ready into a long military campaign in Libya as futile as the Bush-Blair adventures into Iraq and Afghanistan. On the contrary, because of their bloody intervention in both Iraq and Afghanistan they are using the so called soft power, divide the people ethnically, religiously, tribally, and let them kill each other.
Second: its not only about oil, they were getting the oil from Khadafy. its also about creation of a separation zone to prevent the integration of revolutions in Tunis and Egypt. Despite The Interim Transitional National Council wishful thinking and its committment to liberate every part of Libya from Aamsaad in the east to Ras Jdir in the west, and from Sirte in the north to Gatrun in the south, The No fly zone, and the "humanitarian intervention" is drawing the new borders of divided Libya, the US-Nato, and their Arab puppets wanted the people of Libya to be "brutally crushed without mercy" until they cry for help, as Sheikh Mohammed Bosidra told you. Those Libyans who are crystal clear in one thing: Gaddafi must go, should have thought and planed how they would force him to go, like in Tunis, Egypt, Yemen, and Bahrain, they should have avoided violence, and giving Khadafy an excuse to crushed without them mercy. So far the conspiracy failed in Tunis, and Egypt, but brought Libyans to their knees, and turned it from a popular revolution into a civil war.

Its not true that the war in libya is led by no one, with no particular aim, and its not true that the No fly zone prevented a Massacre. In every revolution, there is the people's will to get free, and there is the conspiracy's will, where conspiracy try to ride drive the people to face the wall untill they cry for help.

Somebody, called, the Arab uprising, "The Grand Arab Revolution", referring to the Grand Arab Revolution led by Sharif Husain of Mecca, where the people wanted liberation from the Ottoman Empire, and the Conspiracy was about dividing Arab world, and creation of the Zionist entity.

History is repeating itself, but in other forms. The so called "constructive chaos" is now used to redraw the region according to US-Israeli "geo-strategic needs and objectives." Therefore and Syria is the main target, because its the corner stone of the Resistance Axsis, The loss of Syria, God fordid, shall compensate the loss of Egypt, and pave the way to the NEW zionist middle east. The struggle is greater than Libya, its about the middle east, and its heard, Syria.
So the question is, even in Tunis and Egypt, is about who would laugh at the end.

Uprooted Palestinian

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Yvonne Ridley: “I was wrong to oppose military intervention in Libya – wrong, wrong, wrong”  

By Yvonne Ridley in Benghazi

30 April 2011

Yvonne Ridley explains from Benghazi in eastern Libya why she was wrong to oppose Western intervention in Libya, which she now accepts was necessary to avoid the bloodbath Libyan mafia chief Muammar Gaddafi had planned for Libyans for daring to rise up against him.

Just a few weeks ago I stood on a public platform and vigorously slammed proposals for Western military intervention in Libya.
The hasty scramble by the Americans, French and Britons lacked strategy and a clear goal.

To me it appeared to be yet another oil-fuelled, reckless act by gung-ho leaders who would end up being sucked in to a long military campaign as futile as the Bush-Blair adventures into Iraq and Afghanistan that we are still paying for in terms of wasted lives.

“Here we go again,” I said. “Another imperialistic adventure with the long-term aim of getting our grubby hands on other peoples’ oil.”

To those few Libyans present, I warned they would live to regret this pact with the West that I likened to jumping into bed with the devil.

Being very conscious of the fact I’m not a Libyan and desperate at not wanting to be seen as another opinionated Westerner sticking my nose into matters I didn’t understand, I sought the views of many Libyan friends and contacts.

Their reaction was mixed, but more often than not I was told that without outside help the Libyan people would be slaughtered by Gaddafi who himself described those who opposed him as cockroaches that needed to be crushed.

To justify my stand I reasoned that all revolutions are bloody and that the heroic people of Tunisia and Egypt had paid the blood price in their hundreds to win freedom.

I even recounted Malcolm X telling people that if they were not prepared to die for it they should remove the word freedom from their vocabulary.

Of course, making grand statements from platforms in central London is one thing but going to see for myself what was happening on the ground was something else.

My few days in Libya proved to be extremely humbling, illuminating and provided me with a reality check.

I was wrong about opposing military intervention. No if, buts or maybe – I was wrong, wrong, wrong.

The people of Libya would have been brutally crushed without mercy if the West had not responded to their cries for help.

Perhaps the greatest shame is that Arab leaders stood by emotionless as the Libyan people begged everyone and anyone for help to bring down Gaddafi.

Some of those Arab leaders had no such hesitation in answering cries for help from the oppressive royal regime in Bahrain – obviously the Saudis and rest of the Gulf Cooperation Council cabal felt uncomfortable helping to bring down an evil, brutal, dictator who routinely abused and oppressed his people while happily propping up another.

It could have been an opportunity for the rising regional power Turkey to step in to the breach but to the massive disappointment of the Libyan people Recep Tayyip Erdogan refused to become embroiled.

So in the end the West did intervene and although the blood of innocents is still flowing in the streets at least it is not a torrent.

And maybe this is a war led by no one, with no particular aim, but the enforcement of the no fly zone has prevented a massacre.

That is the view held by one of Libya's spiritual leaders, Sheikh Mohammed Bosidra, who told me: "We had no choice. It was either make a pact with NATO or be crushed. It was a matter of survival, as simple as that."

However many have already paid the ultimate blood price. Each town and city has a special place for its martyrs, and there are many. Faces of young men stared back at me from family portraits proudly hung in the central square in Benghazi and what struck me was how young they were.

In Derna, more portraits of the sons of Omar al-Mukhtar hung in the town centre and some of the bodies have been buried in a cemetery next to the tombs of three Sahaba and 70 other martyrs who fought against Roman and Byzantine forces in 692AD.

“We have a very fine tradition of producing martyrs in Derna and that is why Gaddafi hates the people of Derna more than anywhere else in Libya,” one woman told me.

And then she pointed to a French Tricolor and a Union Jack whispering: “Thank you, we will never forget what you have done for us.”

I admit I felt uncomfortable, even a fraud, on several different levels by accepting her thanks. Usually I end up apologizing for the deeds of various British governments and empire so this was something new for me.

We are still not clear what is the endgame of the NATO-led force, but the Libyan people are crystal clear in one thing: Gaddafi must go.

Only then can they begin to work out the next move, and it won’t be easy.

The Interim Transitional National Council says it is committed to liberate every part of Libya from Aamsaad in the east to Ras Jdir in the west, and from Sirte in the north to Gatrun in the south.

But from what I could see the mission is unstable and unpredictable, chaotic, disorganized and confused.

“It is clear to me that once Gaddafi is gone – and he will go – the Libyan people will not replace him with another tyrant or a Western puppet. Whatever government and constitution they choose will be one of their own making.”



However, what is undeniable is the bravery and courage of the Libyan people who we in the media routinely refer to as rebels. These people are not rebels. They are shopkeepers, students, doctors, businessmen and mechanics who have never owned a gun or wanted to pick one up in anger, until now.

And yet there they are tens of thousands prepared to die for freedoms and liberties they’ve never known in Gaddafi’s 41-year rule.

I was moved to tears by a regiment of young men who marched, rallied and chanted demanding to be sent to the front lines in Misrata to help their brothers in arms.

Their personally-delivered message in Benghazi was to the members of the interim government and they were extremely critical of some elements of the ITNC who they said were more interested in parading around with bodyguards intoxicated with the little power they had than making real decisions.

The criticism of the leadership was stinging but reassuring that these young men were not blind to the shortcomings of their own. Too often in the Middle East people are blind and unquestioning in their loyalty to their leaders.

It is clear to me that once Gaddafi is gone – and he will go – the Libyan people will not replace him with another tyrant or a Western puppet. Whatever government and constitution they choose will be one of their own making.

But first we in the West must give them all the help and support they need to accomplish the removal of Gaddafi until it is time for NATO to go in a dignified exit.

And who knows, for once, Western intervention might just be regarded as a force for good.

[Wishfull thinking]

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River to Sea Uprooted Palestinian

Monday, April 25, 2011

"I don't see a scenario right now or in the future where the injection of US or NATO military action would help the situation..."

Via FLC

I don't see a scenario right now or in the future where the injection of US or NATO military action would help the situation..."



"(On Syria), Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Monday "I don't see a scenario right now or anytime in the near future where the injection of U.S. or NATO military action would in any way beneficially help the situation, I'm sorry to say," McCain said on NBC's "Today" show.
McCain, the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has been an advocate for U.S. intervention in Libya... "
Posted by G, M, Z, or B at 11:17 AM
River to Sea Uprooted Palestinian

The Odyssey of the Libayn-civilian

FAD

 http://blogs.state.gov/images/Dipnote/behind_the_scenes/2011_0414_civilians_libya_m.jpg
Civilians

http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,2021021_1,00.jpg
Refugees

http://emajmagazine.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/turkish-gastarbeiter-wdr-de.jpg
Foreign workers

http://www.centree.cn/en/images/b_2_4.jpg
and the , back home !!


"The NATO shall protect the civilians of Libya"
so we are told.......
Which civilians ,are protected ?? may I ask,
also the civilians supporting Qaddafi  ??............ I think not !!

So,  it must be exclusively to protect the anti-Qaddafi-civilians.

But once an-anti-Qaddafi-civilian starts to carry weapons.......
is he still considered as " civilian"  ???............I think not !! 
but he would still be protected by NATO because :
"The NATO shall protect the civilians of Libya"
so they said.

But ,
if and when some Libyan-civilians take a fisher-boat
and risk to sail to the south of Italy
and then ask for asylum......would they get it ???
I think not !!.........they would be deported,
or dropped over the borders into France
and then France smuggles them into Germany
to work as illegal-cheap-labour until their employers
shall send them back to Libya .........
as civilians without any civil-rights !!
(otherwise known as: illegal-alients)


Once back in Libya ,
Qaddafi shall give them a house,
a job and free-education for their children.
When those children will grow up,
they shall ask again for the removal
of the dictatorship of Qaddafi ,
because Qaddafi is not as democratic........... as Berlusconi !!
or  as Sarkozy !!
.................I think not !!


Sherlock HommosNovelist.
 
Posted by Tlaxcala at 1:33 PM
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Wednesday, April 20, 2011

In the name of......another name.

FAD


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n13/aphra_behn/slavery2tradeimage.jpg
"Civilisation"
then, meant enslaving other humans
to build a land they stole from ,also ,other humans.


In the past 350 years
the Western-World
invaded and occupied
and colonised 2/3 of this Globe........
all that happened,
in the name of
Christianity and of the Christianising of others.

Today, they do the same ,but,
in the name of Democracy and Democratising
or eventually in the name of "Human-rights".

Ask ,please, Bernard Koushner....
http://www.enjoyfrance.com/images/stories/france/news/French-Foreign-Minister-Bernard-Kouchner.jpg

They could not christianise the Muslim-world
because all the Muslims believed, anyhow, in the same Jesus Christ,
so now they want, to democratise-the-Muslim-world.


Hoping that the Muslim-world shall soon obey the rule
and the reign of the Talmud.

Raja Chemayel
a Christian-Muslim and a democrat-Arab
Posted by Tlaxcala at 7:39 PM
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Alain Juppe: "We have underestimated Gaddafi's capacity to adapt..."

Via FLC

(Reuter/Africa)- France is opposed to the idea of sending troops into Libya to guide air strikes as the West struggles to break a military stalemate in the North African country, Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said on Tuesday. Juppe said the situation in Libya was "difficult" and "confused" a month after France launched the first U.N.-mandated strikes against Muammar Gaddafi's forces. He added that the West had underestimated the Libyan leader's ability to adapt his tactics in response to the coalition campaign... "It is likely ... that there will not be a military solution," he added... Juppe said a political solution would require a "real" ceasefire and for the rebel opposition to sit down around a negotiating table with tribal leaders and defected Gaddafi officials. He added that military pressure should be maintained and even intensified to encourage more defections...
Posted by G, M, Z, or B at 11:52 AM
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Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Tough choices for West in Libya

FLC


(Reuter)- "... "The U.N. Security Council never aimed to topple the Libyan regime," (Serguei Lavrov) said in Belgrade. "All those who are currently using the U.N. resolution for that aim are violating the U.N. mandate. It is crucial to establish a ceasefire."
Even the advocates of more robust attacks on Gaddafi's forces have insisted they will not deploy ground troops. But the European Union outlined a tentative plan on Monday to do just that to protect aid deliveries to Misrata and elsewhere if requested by the United Nations..."
Posted by G, M, Z, or B at 9:59 AM
River to Sea Uprooted Palestinian

Three different names for the same Libyans.

FAD

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00597/misrata_597284s.jpg
The machine-gun has three legs ,
while the man on the right has only one !!

In Libya,
we have now reached a more clear picture:

Half of Libya wants a change
and the other half does not obviously.
The NATO bombs the second half
and sometimes also the first-half , but by mistake.

When NATO kills Libyans it is called Collateral-damages
When Qaddafi kills his own citizens it is called Human-rights-violation
When the Insurgents kill the Qaddafi-loyal´s it is called Civil-War.

I wonder if it matters, really ,for the poor victims ,
what name will be used ??


Raja Chemayel
Posted by Tlaxcala at 9:43 PM
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